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| One for the floor:
As unavoidably happens, players sometimes have to leave games early, and it's usual practice to abandon. Is there, however, such a score difference that if the departing player is on the heavily losing side, that side should instead forfeit? I feel it would be good to agree a protocol, if we could. |
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I think that it is common knowledge that as members we join into a game with the understanding that we will be staying to the end of that game. Obviously there are situations that arise, or the game goes on for alot longer than expected,..I think that if the game score is more than 300+ then the game should by rights be forfeited by the person losing.
The other side of that is if the member is -300 and oppos +40 even...then game should also be forfeited to the winning team |
| | | I suggested 500 in front was a good guide to forfeit a few months back in forum and was shouted down. I was also told I was unsportsmanlike. Well if my partner goes missing and I am 4-500 behind guess what I forfeit because I am a sportsman. I have had people play 3-4 hands then wanna forfeit because they were bored. I have never been a fan of the forfeit button, things used to work out 50/50 before and was no easier rules," you bail out you lose simple". If you had a faulty PC you would have to get it fixed or folk would avoid you. Get rid of the button I reckon, was never a need for it. |
| | | My suggestion would be that if certain players keep abandoning when losing either bar them or do not play them again..........the grapevine works great amongst members! |
| | This topic came up a few months ago, when people were being locked out of rooms due to site difficulties. During those cir?@!stances I believed it to be unsportsman - like to demand a forfeit from the ops, no matter what the score. I am not sure if it was me who said it to you Craig but regardless I still hold that view.
Most members, say things like "just a quick game" or "I can't stay for more than one game" before joining. If the game goes on too long then abandon is the solution. However if a member joins a game then says I have to go I believe forfeit is justified. This includes people who fall asleep!
I don't know anyone who leaves mid game. (not without good reason or the prementioned forewarning) Maybe I just play with the right people. Having said that I agree with Scorp .. spread the word. The offenders will soon learn.
This site has always done a great job of educating people on etiquette of joining and leaving a game. This is just part of it.
Great topic to discuss. I'd like to hear more views. |
| | Oh no, don’t get rid of the abandon button – some wonderful uses of it include:
RedTerror and I had just started a game - hadn’t even called the first hand - when Lil &Kiwigirl turned up – so the other 2 could join in straight away, we abandoned rather than lose points forfeiting.
The other R’s (Rahrah & RobbieLad) have been known to nod off occasionally on Friday nights after a big week and no amount of msn nudges achieved the desired effect, so the players abandoned rather than cause the partner to unfairly lose points. No ill feeling anywhere unlike the old ‘ have to wait for time out forfeit’ which left some hurt-feelings & frustrations.
Playing with Wayne and others in a very hard fought game, we agreed if no one got the win after the next hand we would abandon because we were all tired and it was getting too late.
On the other hand, one player highly ranked quite often seemed to ‘fall out’ of the game when it was unwinnable e.g. -490 and went 10NT with opposition showing bird.... seemed too much of a coincidence after happening several times, so we waited for the time out forfeit/ or the partner forfeited since s/he was going to lose in any case.
But I do agree with you Craig in that the team leading might not necessarily win the game, so giving a win to the leading team is not always the fair way to go either.
Do we need a hard and fast rule, Robbie or can we use common sense to judge each case on its merits?
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| | | I guess common sense. The post was prompted by a recent game where one player unavoidably had to go, and their team was 850 points behind. That player was prepared to forfeit the game but their partner asked for an abandon instead. In the end the opponents abandoned, but I thought that a forfeit in that situation was probably the correct response. |
| | | I'd ask the questions .. was the departure genuine? Was it a repeat offender? Had the game been a long battle? Was it likely they would "come back" from this score? If I was the remaining partner and not knowing the answers to these questions , I would have forfeited. |
| | I want names,times and dates :)...can we incorporate capital punishment into the rules,just a suggestion.
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| | | | | | A few day s ago haleigh and myself where playing kayleen and jenny 2 harleigh and i where leading +480 to -470 a lead of 950 points 3 hands later kayleen n jenny won the game the point is unless a repeat offender is continually dodging losses by abandoning the game is never over till its over
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| | The Duckworth-Lewis method should be applied.
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| | Used the abandon button the other day when Gabriells bot overcalled her open call up to 10 hearts and went down on the first hand of a game because i thought it a bit unfair and you dont like to win like that.
I believe that if you have committed to a game often a hard fought game then leave that in fairness to the opposition you should forfeit.I have forfeited when it has applied to myself. |
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